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Charles WILLIAMS (c. 1865- )

1. Charles Frederick WILLIAMS, son of Chas WILLIAMS ( -bef1871) and Emily HURLOCK (c. 1836-bef1929), was born circa 1865 in London, Newington (Walworth, Surrey - 1881 census). He was a Commercial Traveller. He married Marie Hortense COUVRAT in 1892. He married "Aunty JESSIE".

 

Is the C Williams noted more than once in the Stocktaking Supper, 1887 of Hurlocks, Walworth Road, Cyril?

 

Well-educated man, but worked most of his life as an orderly at St. Peter's Hospital, Chertsey. He was a fine musician, who played the organ and cello extremely well. Is Cyril the same person as Charles (not Chas. his father, of course)?

 

Marie Hortense COUVRAT and Charles Frederick WILLIAMS had the following children:

 

Charles Cyril WILLIAMS (1893- ). Charles was born on 17 November 1893.

Second Generation

2. Chas WILLIAMS appeared in the census. He celebrated his Bar Mitzvah. He was a Plumber's Turner (1863) Licensed victualler (1865) Silk Merchant (later). He married Emily HURLOCK. He died before 1871.

 

3. Emily HURLOCK, daughter of George William HURLOCK and Charlotte HODSELL, was born circa 1836. She was baptised in 1836 in Deptford, St. Paul. She appeared in the census. She celebrated her Bar Mitzvah. She died between 1920 and 1929. She married James CARPENTER.

 

On 1861 census, is shown as living with parents, George and Charlotte, + sister Charlotte in Deptford. Her age is given as 23 and she is unmarried. Charlotte's age is given as 16. It is in this census that her father's occupation is given as "Railway Constable".

On 1871 census, is living in Deptford St. Paul

Emily Williams c. 1843 (head)
Charles F Williams c. 1865 (son)

In this same 1871 census Emily's parents George and Charlotte are living with their son and daughter William (future mayor of St. Albans) and daughter Charlotte, + Emily's own daughter Emily C Williams. James Carpenter (presumably Emily's future husband) is also a household member, listed as an "assistant".

On 1881 census, is living with second husband James Carpenter at 3 Broadway, Deptford St. Paul.
Emily Carpenter c.1846 at Deptford St. Paul (wife)
James Carpenter c. 1849 Deptford St. Paul (head)

James EG c. 1876 Camberwell (son)
William E c. 1879 Camberwell (son)
Charles (!) c. 1865 Walworth, Surrey (this is surely Cyril) (stepson)

1891 census at 29 Church Street, Camberwell
James Carpenter (head) aged 42. (T Clothier)
Emily Carpenter (wife) aged 43 (c. 1848)

Charles Williams (stepson) aged 25 (Commercial Traveller) (London,
Newington)
James Edward Carpenter (Son) aged 15 (Clothier's Assistant)
William Hy. Carpenter (Son) aged 12
Ivanhoe Hodsoll Carpenter aged 11

At the time they had one visitor, a lady from France, and one domestic servant.

On 1901 census is living at 59 Ashford Road, Willesden:
James Carpenter (head) aged 52 Clothes Draper (Lon Marylebone)
Emily Carpenter (wife) aged 60 (Deptford) (c.1841)
James E Carpenter (son) aged 25 Commercial Traveller
William H Carpenter (son) aged 22 Boot/shoe salesman
Alfred I Carpenter (son) aged 20 Budget (?) clerk

The birthplace of the three sons is given as Camberwell.

 

Quite possibly known as "Onez".

 

Emily (possibly known as Onez) was an interesting character who married twice, to Chas. Williams and then to James Carpenter. She had two children with Chas. and three with James. At the age of 15 she was apprenticed to a dressmaker, but it is doubtful whether she ever practised professionally. Apparently, she recalled walking to work in her brother's [William's] shops in Walwroth Road from the family home in Deptford.

Emily's early life seems to have been rather a chequered one. Both sons she had with James Carpenter died in France - Ivanhoe in 1916 and his elder brother, James Jr., in 1917. But the latter had married Hilda Shries and there were two sons of this marriage to sonsole Hilda and family. One of these was the late Edgar Carpenter.

It is not known what happened to Emily's first husband, but Emily definitely lied about her age at the time of her second marriage; the missing five or so years was discretely made up over the next 30 years or so - who knows whether the lie was really necessary to get Emily her second husband?!?

 

Chas WILLIAMS and Emily HURLOCK had the following children:

 

Emily Charlotte WILLIAMS (1863-1949). Emily was born on 3 September 1863 in Southampton. She married George Edward WALLER in September 1885. She died on 8 February 1949.

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Charles Frederick WILLIAMS (c. 1865- )

 

James CARPENTER and Emily HURLOCK had the following children:

 

William H CARPENTER (1875?- ). William was born in 1875 (calculated). He was a Boot Shop (Bookshop?) salesman.

James Edward Jr. CARPENTER (1876?- ). James was born in 1876 (calculated). He was a Commercial Traveller. He married Hilda Maude SHIRES in 1917.

Alfred Ivanhoe CARPENTER (1880?- ). Alfred was born in 1880 (calculated). He was a Builder's Clerk. Bombadier. He was a Bombadier. He died in The Somme - blown up.

Third Generation

4. George William HURLOCK, son of Cutaway Mike, Michael HURLOCK and Sarah SCOTT, was born on 27 November 1802 in Christ Ch.Spitalfields (Shoreditch). He was baptised on 26 December 1802 in Christ Ch.Spitalfields. He appeared in the census. He was a Railway Policeman. He married Charlotte HODSELL on 16 August 1825 in St. Pancras, Middlesex. He died on 21 October 1886 in Hertford, Herts..

 

Notes by Sandra Hurlock:

"The fourth surviving son of "Cutaway Mike" and Sarah was born in 1802. Having a well-known father and son (William) has made it difficult to get information on George's life.

"According to family information, at the age of 23 he made a runaway marriage with Charlotte, the daughter of a wealthy city man. Charlotte Hodsell was the duaghter of Thomas Hodsell (Hodsoll?) whose family seems to have been connected with one of the old City banks. She had been baptised at St. Botolph Bishopsgate in 1802 and although she was therefore "of full age" when she married in 1825, it was said that she defied her parents in so doing. Nonetheless, two of her relatives attended the marriage at St. Pancras Church as witnesses - William, probably a younger brother, and Isabella Hodsoll.

"It is not known where George and Charlotte began married life. In 1828 two daughters were christened Charlotte and Sophia at St. Leonard's, and on this occasion George gave his occupation as "Shoemaker" (it seems probable that both girls died before 1841 since they do not appear on that census and on-one in the later family seemed to have heard of them). George Edmund was born in April 1830 and was also christened at St. Leonard's, when George Senior declared himself "Fishmonger", maybe working with one of his brothers. George Edmund usually gave his place of birth as Hackney, although he once gave it as Hoxton.

"Sometime during the next four years the family crossed the Thames and went to live in Deptford, then still virtually a riverside township, separated from London by marshes. This was very puzzling to the author for a long time. The first civil document she found connected with George - the marriage certificate of George Edmund (1856) showed George Senior as "Police Constable". This prompted a series of enquiries to the River, City and Metropolitan Police forces, but despite their thorough investigations George's assertion remained unsupported by other evidence until the family was discovered on the 1851 census at 7 Nelson Street, Deptford. It was a very dark copy and after the word "Policeman" in George's occupation slot could just be discovered, in brackets "Rail". He wasn't listed with the family on the 1841 census, perhaps because he was working nights?? This return showed George Junior aged 11, three of the children born in Deptford - Thomas, Emily and William, plus a child of three years named Maria, with n.k. where her surname should have been. She may have been a "Nurse Child" but both film and copy are too faint to be deciphered with any confidence. She was no longer with them by 1851.

"The authorities seem to agree that it is extremely difficult to find reconds of early railway staff of any kind and that to do so it is essential to know the name of the Railway Company that employed them. Since no-one this century even seemed to have heard about this police occupation of George's it seemed that an educated guess would have to be the only starting point. There must have been a very good reason for George to remove himself and young family from the Hurlock network in the Shoreditch area and cross the River to live in a dockyard township: finding a better kind of employment seemed the most likely one.

"Bibliographies of railway history and a study of maps of South London helped to reduce the possibilities somewhat. It was found that in 1833 permission had been given for a railway to be built between Greenwich and London to carry both freight and passengers. The work of actually building it began in 1834 and the first section to be laid ran about two miles, from Bermondsey to Deptford. When it was officially opened in December 1836, the London and Greenwich was the first passenger railway to run into London, eventually terminating at London Bridge. At the start the Company employed thirty policemen (whose duties included the rudimentary signalling used in the very early days) but over the years this number reduced to a very few. Unfortunately, although not unexpectedly, only two or three names of policemen appear in the Minutes of the Company during a period of thirty years and none of these was George. Therefore the author has sadly to declare total ignorance of George's police work with the railway.

"George and some of the family were still at 7 Nelson Street in 1852 but had gone from there by 1861. In March 1864, on the marriage of the youngest son William, George have his occupation as "Clothier", which must have meant that by then he was working with William at the Walworth Road shops. In 1871, he and Charlotte were certainly living in Walworth Road in a household which included on census night at least, William, the then unmarried daughter Charlotte, Emily's daughter Emily C. Williams and Emily's future husband, James Carpenter."

If Charlotte's background was as superior as legend has it, she must have had to suffer materially in the cause of romance and no doubt at times felt that she had sacrificed too much. She died in 1882 at St. Albans, aged 73. It seems as though George then moved to live with his youngest daughter, Charlotte Catherine, and her husband Henry White, in Stockwell, since although George also died at St. Albans, upon probate of his will being granted in 1886, he was said to be "formerly of St. Albans... but late of... Stockwell".

 

Some census details:

the 1851 census shows that the family is still living at 165 Nelson Street, St. Paul, Deptford. George is a "Policeman (Rail)". He and Charlotte are with their children Emily (aged 14 and a dressmaker's assistant/apprentice?), William (aged 11) and Charlotte (aged 6).

The 1861 census gives George still as Railway Constable. In the house at the time of the census were his wife and two daughters Emily (aged 23) and Charlotte (aged 16).

 

5. Charlotte HODSELL, daughter of Thomas HODSELL, was born in 1802 in St. Botolph, Bishopsgate, London. She died on 19 October 1882 in St. Albans.

 

Family Home: the Rookery, St. Mary Cray, Kent (but see notes by Edgar White). The church opposite contains the large Hodsell family pew and the memorial tablets on the wall.

 

The Hodsells were connected with the Banking House of Hodsell's, Lombard Street, City, which bank merged with one of the 5 big group, possibly the Westminster Bank.

 

George William HURLOCK and Charlotte HODSELL had the following children:

 

Sophia HURLOCK (c. 1828- ). Sophia was born circa 1828. She was baptised in July 1828 in Shoreditch, St. Leonard.

Charlotte HURLOCK (c. 1829-c. 1830). Charlotte was born circa 1829. She died circa 1830.

George Edmund HURLOCK (1830-1894). George was baptised on 10 April 1830 in Shoreditch. He was born on 19 April 1830 in Shoreditch. He was a Sanitary Inspector. He married Ann CLAPSON on 1 October 1856 in Shoreditch St.Leonard. He died in 1894. He was buried on 20 July 1894 in Bow Cemetery.

Thomas William HURLOCK (1834-1852). Thomas was born in 1834. He died in 1852.

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Emily HURLOCK (c. 1836-bef1929)

William HURLOCK (c. 1840-1925). William was born circa 1840. He was baptised on 11 January 1840 in Deptford, St. Paul. He married Susan MAPLES on 25 March 1864 in St. Alphege, Greenwich. He died in 1925.

Charlotte Catherine HURLOCK (1845-1936). Charlotte was born on 23 January 1845 in Greater London, Kent. She married Thomas Henry Philpot WHITE between 1871 and 1877. She died on 4 December 1936 in Worthing, Sussex.