See also

Edward CARPENTER ( - )

1. Edward G CARPENTER, son of James Edward Jr. CARPENTER (1876?- ) and Hilda Maude SHIRES ( - ), married Vera Rose AUSTIN.

 

Vera Rose AUSTIN and Edward G CARPENTER had the following children:

 

Royston CARPENTER ( - ). Royston was an Automobile Dealer, Manager of Family Business.

Second Generation

2. James Edward Jr. CARPENTER (also known as Edward James Jr. CARPENTER), son of James CARPENTER and Emily HURLOCK, was born in 1876 (calculated). He was a Commercial Traveller. He married Hilda Maude SHIRES in 1917.

 

3. Hilda Maude SHIRES was the daughter of unk SHIRES.

 

Was a very good pianist, and played for Vesta Victoria, who was famous for singing "Daddy wouldn't buy me a bow-wow" and "There was I waiting at the church".

 

James Edward Jr. CARPENTER and Hilda Maude SHIRES had the following children:

 

Edgar CARPENTER ( - )

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Edward G CARPENTER ( - )

Third Generation

4. James CARPENTER was born circa 1848 in Middlesex. He was a Clothier/Draper. He married Emily HURLOCK.

 

5. Emily HURLOCK, daughter of George William HURLOCK and Charlotte HODSELL, was born circa 1836. She was baptised in 1836 in Deptford, St. Paul. She appeared in the census. She celebrated her Bar Mitzvah. She married Chas WILLIAMS. She died between 1920 and 1929.

 

On 1861 census, is shown as living with parents, George and Charlotte, + sister Charlotte in Deptford. Her age is given as 23 and she is unmarried. Charlotte's age is given as 16. It is in this census that her father's occupation is given as "Railway Constable".

On 1871 census, is living in Deptford St. Paul

Emily Williams c. 1843 (head)
Charles F Williams c. 1865 (son)

In this same 1871 census Emily's parents George and Charlotte are living with their son and daughter William (future mayor of St. Albans) and daughter Charlotte, + Emily's own daughter Emily C Williams. James Carpenter (presumably Emily's future husband) is also a household member, listed as an "assistant".

On 1881 census, is living with second husband James Carpenter at 3 Broadway, Deptford St. Paul.
Emily Carpenter c.1846 at Deptford St. Paul (wife)
James Carpenter c. 1849 Deptford St. Paul (head)

James EG c. 1876 Camberwell (son)
William E c. 1879 Camberwell (son)
Charles (!) c. 1865 Walworth, Surrey (this is surely Cyril) (stepson)

1891 census at 29 Church Street, Camberwell
James Carpenter (head) aged 42. (T Clothier)
Emily Carpenter (wife) aged 43 (c. 1848)

Charles Williams (stepson) aged 25 (Commercial Traveller) (London,
Newington)
James Edward Carpenter (Son) aged 15 (Clothier's Assistant)
William Hy. Carpenter (Son) aged 12
Ivanhoe Hodsoll Carpenter aged 11

At the time they had one visitor, a lady from France, and one domestic servant.

On 1901 census is living at 59 Ashford Road, Willesden:
James Carpenter (head) aged 52 Clothes Draper (Lon Marylebone)
Emily Carpenter (wife) aged 60 (Deptford) (c.1841)
James E Carpenter (son) aged 25 Commercial Traveller
William H Carpenter (son) aged 22 Boot/shoe salesman
Alfred I Carpenter (son) aged 20 Budget (?) clerk

The birthplace of the three sons is given as Camberwell.

 

Quite possibly known as "Onez".

 

Emily (possibly known as Onez) was an interesting character who married twice, to Chas. Williams and then to James Carpenter. She had two children with Chas. and three with James. At the age of 15 she was apprenticed to a dressmaker, but it is doubtful whether she ever practised professionally. Apparently, she recalled walking to work in her brother's [William's] shops in Walwroth Road from the family home in Deptford.

Emily's early life seems to have been rather a chequered one. Both sons she had with James Carpenter died in France - Ivanhoe in 1916 and his elder brother, James Jr., in 1917. But the latter had married Hilda Shries and there were two sons of this marriage to sonsole Hilda and family. One of these was the late Edgar Carpenter.

It is not known what happened to Emily's first husband, but Emily definitely lied about her age at the time of her second marriage; the missing five or so years was discretely made up over the next 30 years or so - who knows whether the lie was really necessary to get Emily her second husband?!?

 

Chas WILLIAMS and Emily HURLOCK had the following children:

 

Emily Charlotte WILLIAMS (1863-1949). Emily was born on 3 September 1863 in Southampton. She married George Edward WALLER in September 1885. She died on 8 February 1949.

Charles Frederick WILLIAMS (c. 1865- ). Charles was born circa 1865 in London, Newington (Walworth, Surrey - 1881 census). He was a Commercial Traveller. He married Marie Hortense COUVRAT in 1892.

 

James CARPENTER and Emily HURLOCK had the following children:

 

William H CARPENTER (1875?- ). William was born in 1875 (calculated). He was a Boot Shop (Bookshop?) salesman.

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James Edward Jr. CARPENTER (1876?- )

Alfred Ivanhoe CARPENTER (1880?- ). Alfred was born in 1880 (calculated). He was a Builder's Clerk. Bombadier. He was a Bombadier. He died in The Somme - blown up.

 

6. unk SHIRES has few details recorded about him.

 

unk SHIRES had the following children:

 

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Hilda Maude SHIRES ( - )

Lillian SHIRES ( - ) (known as 'Lily')