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William FIENES (1357-1402)

1. William FIENES, son of Sir William FIENES Kt. (1331-1359) and Joan de SAY ( - ), was born in 1357. He was baptised on 1 August 1357 in Hurstmonceaux. He married Elizabeth BATISFORD circa 1382 in Wartling, Sussex. He died on [Julian] 18 January 1402. He was buried in Hurstmonceaux.

 

"only son and heir, Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex 1397 and 1399.

 

Elizabeth BATISFORD and William FIENES had the following children:

 

James FIENES ( - ). James married Emmeline CRO(W)MER circa 1419 in Willingham, Cambridgeshire.

Second Generation

2. Sir William FIENES Kt., son of Sir John FIENES Kt. and Maud MONCEAUX, was born on [Julian] 2 February 1331 in Hurstmonceaux, Sussex. He married Joan de SAY on 12 November 1351 in Sawbridgeworth, Herts.. He died on 30 November 1359 in France.

 

Second Son. The baronial line of Saye became extinct with the death of John De Saye, fourth Baron Saye, in 1382 according to ancient peerage doctrine, or in 1399 when his sister Elizabeth, Baroness Say in her own right, died, according to modern peerage doctrine. In either case the representation fell into abeyance between the descendants of the sisters of the third Baron Say: Idonea who married the third Baron Clinton and; Joan who married Sir William Fiennes.

 

3. Joan de SAY, daughter of Geoffrey de SAY and Maud de BEAUCHAMP, married Stephen de VALENCE.

 

She was third daughter and coheir to her father and brother, afterwards married Stephen de Valence.

 

William FIENES and Joan de SAY had the following children:

 

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William FIENES (1357-1402)

Third Generation

4. Sir John FIENES Kt., son of Sir John FIENES Kt. and Joane JORDAIN, was born circa 1301 in Hurstmonceaux, Sussex. He married Maud MONCEAUX circa 1326 in Hurstmonceaux. He died on 5 April 1351.

 

He was the only son. The Fiennes line now becomes "of Nobility" after the marriage of John and Maud of Monceux.

 

5. Maud MONCEAUX was the daughter of unk MONCEAUX of Hurst Monceaux. She and John FIENES had the following children:

 

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William FIENES (1331-1359)

 

6. Geoffrey de SAY, son of Geoffrey de SAY and Idonea, died in 1359. He married Maud de BEAUCHAMP.

 

"Only son. Sum to Parl from 1326 to 1350. Admiral of the Fleet. Banneret? 1336".

 

7. Maud de BEAUCHAMP was the daughter of Guy de BEAUCHAMP. She and Geoffrey de SAY had the following children:

 

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Joan de SAY ( - )